That not even a week after the orginal freep vent went to teamspeak, leon started his own vent. Making him, hargrave and earlynn admin ><
3 of the most honest, level headed and fair people to ever grace the earth lol
Does anyone else find it Funny...
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 21:35
Thu, 08/26/2010 - 07:22
#2
...tell me where my ban even enters the currnet debate? It was only raised by Vyxe and Nest...what more can i say, no honstly, can i repeat myself anymore within a single thread?
I responded only after you raised it look at what I quoted.
Edit: for the record I did not ban yurpee for removing your ban, only his Admin rights.
Thu, 08/26/2010 - 07:14
#3
As for the ban, ill repeat myself about my stance. I accepted the ban, and questioned it then asked Yurpee for a human response. He acted on his own and i warned him if he'd be also banned/dropped - so no, i didnt not persuade or seek the ban to be lifted by the means of friendship. Then, under the stance of accpeting the ban i went about questioning why such rules are goverened so strickly and robotic.
You were given plenty of human responses from Corv and I. We listened to your side of the story more then once, but you admitted to flipping sides to us. We treated your actions like we do every other person who flips sides. You wanted a "get out of jail free card" because you switched sides to lead a raid for freeps because they were getting crushed by the creeps.
Get over it already!
I truly wonder, how many times a sentence can be re-written within a thread until 1, just 1 person understands what i means. I also wonder how many times it will take until they see its NOT about my ban. Hmm, like to answer me?
Note, my first post: Concerning ANV holding sway over the current vent admins.
-Vyxe reply, you broke the rule and banned.
Tell me, what type of response is that? How can i talk about apples and have someone reply concerning the dynamics of milk production?
Get-it-through-your-head. Read, read, read, read.
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"which by the way ISNT about my ban!)"
"Then, under the stance of accpeting the ban i went about questioning why such rules are goverened so strickly and robotic."
"Its not about me taking this like an adult, i accpeted the ban and went to question why its needed for voice communitcations to have such judgment. That is my stance."
"**** off, how many more times must i explain the cause of my actions? How about reading the title of my thread in Freep forums...was it called, Oh-no please unban me? I was making a serously question of the governing of such rules."
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Heres something to make it easier, issue points!
-ANV holding sway over currnet Vent admins
-ANV farming, and members
...tell me where my ban even enters the currnet debate? It was only raised by Vyxe and Nest...what more can i say, no honstly, can i repeat myself anymore within a single thread?
Thu, 08/26/2010 - 07:02
#4
As for the ban, ill repeat myself about my stance. I accepted the ban, and questioned it then asked Yurpee for a human response. He acted on his own and i warned him if he'd be also banned/dropped - so no, i didnt not persuade or seek the ban to be lifted by the means of friendship. Then, under the stance of accpeting the ban i went about questioning why such rules are goverened so strickly and robotic.
You were given plenty of human responses from Corv and I. We listened to your side of the story more then once, but you admitted to flipping sides to us. We treated your actions like we do every other person who flips sides. You wanted a "get out of jail free card" because you switched sides to lead a raid for freeps because they were getting crushed by the creeps.
Get over it already!
Thu, 08/26/2010 - 06:06
#5
I think the drama/name calling has gone on long enough and if anyone has any other negative things to say, take it to PMs people.
Thu, 08/26/2010 - 04:30
#6
The only people making drama are the people willing to go the length of bad mouthing others in public areas ie: GLLF/Forums/Tribe forums. Speaking in public areas should allow the accused/target to defend themeslves in a public arena dont you think?
Thu, 08/26/2010 - 04:09
#7
Guys...can you take this somewhere else...not to hide any issue or whatever but just to try and put some perspective on this. I treat the LOTRO forum like a plague and dont want to see anything resembling that garbage here. Theres nothing wrong with a good debate/conversation etc but theres also a point where it becomes counterproductive.
Its a game guys and it is disturbing to see how much it effects you all. Seriously, just be thankful you are fortunate enough to be able to play these kind of games, live in a fortunate place like we all do and be lucky enough to see the sun come up tomorrow.
Anything else is just trivial.
Have fun, realise Illy smells, Snarga has rediculous expectations and that we will all get called poo poo's at some stage!
I cant lock this thread, although I have asked to be able to, so I am sticking out the paw and asking you all to chill and 'smell the roses'.
/peace
Snarga
Thu, 08/26/2010 - 02:07
#8
@Illy, Yes.
So you see how even in the past false accusations can run wild against anyone, so these claims must have proof before being forwarded.
@Yicky, if you have any proof ANV members were actively farming, produce it or never mention it again.
Ive been very brutal and forward in this thread for good reason, and decided to be so to serve a purpose. That purpose is to quell future false claims, past claims and to force people to speak ONLY when they have proof. Im a man of my word, and absolutely detest sly snakes which talk utter **** which serves no purpose.
I take pride in my work, speech and actions. Ill admit when im wrong (as ive done with my ban)...but the moment some ****er starts making ****, ill go down swinging when the words are of this level.
Thu, 08/26/2010 - 00:22
#9
But remember, when your well known and at the top, your the easiest target for bitter rivals. Even the most well known Champ on E was called a rank farmer, so people need to keep things in perspective when hearing the word 'Farmer/s.'
~Orakhodegos - Leader of ANV~
Someone seriously thought that Vincint was rank-farming? What have we come to... 
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 23:30
#10
Ok ok...I'm gonna step in here. Lets just chill on this debate for now. Things are getting heated and people are getting pulled in on both sides via name calling and such and it isnt productive. So lets at least hold back till tomorrow if anything.
I will say this tho, People (including Vyxe) do apperciate the fact that you are trying to help the moors Orak.
But for now, Lets ring the bell, take to our corners, and come back to this at a later time. :)
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 23:15
#11
**** off, how many more times must i explain the cause of my actions? How about reading the title of my thread in Freep forums...was it called, Oh-no please unban me? I was making a serously question of the governing of such rules.
Ive got a clear mind but a hot mouth atm, i know ive got cause to my actions reguarless what you think.
Next time you decide to mention the name ANV or anything related, make this serve as a reminder, get your facts straight. Ive had enough of this pointless ****, but im guessing you really dont care, so on that note, continue talking like a bunch of school girls behind others back without any truth, good day.
~Orakhodegos - Leader of ANV~
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 23:04
#12
Honestly reading through your paragraph was about as painful as reading through Leon's. Except that you have carraige returns in there. I decoded as much as possible through the rants and astericks.
And the % of people banned for the 30 minute flip rule is really an insignificant % of the population. We clarified when it needed to be clarified (ie, what happens with the CM channel). But the overwhelmingly vast majority of the population has no issue with the ruleset in place.
And I can't really say from reading what you wrote here and your past posts on the E PvMP forums that you ever took your ban as an adult. It appears you blamed everyone except yourself. So there is merit in clearing up that line here.
As far as the rest, I took it up with one of your other ANV members who has a lot cooler head.
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 23:08
#13
As for the ban, ill repeat myself about my stance. I accepted the ban, and questioned it then asked Yurpee for a human response. He acted on his own and i warned him if he'd be also banned/dropped - so no, i didnt not persuade or seek the ban to be lifted by the means of friendship. Then, under the stance of accpeting the ban i went about questioning why such rules are goverened so strickly and robotic.
Im mentioned this before, Vyxe, i know at the time of my ban many others were banned also. So if your purpose was to prevent people from being banned, then you'd make a friendly reminder (due to so many people unknownly brreaking the rule) on E forums to prevent Admins banning.
Its not about me taking this like an adult, i accpeted the ban and went to question why its needed for voice communitcations to have such judgment. That is my stance.
Vyxe, nice lengthy paragraph, sadly ill add another one liner since you missed my statment.
"(since noone else is adding into this topic, which by the way ISNT about my ban!)"
Reading FTL, ill also add how much one i hate one liners, but it might get the message accorss since my last length post surely was ignored.
I shouldnt have continued the debate with you Vyxe, after all its proven pointless. All you've done is taken everything ive said and somehow managed to ASSUME its a personal frustraited about my ban. FFS, read, its not about my ban, the only people who've raised the issue has been you.
-Do i think ive saved the moors? **** off, the moors are far from perfect atm, but if this is how you speak to someone whos worked only towards helping the communtiy via kin and actions, then you should have emailed me not to bother.
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 22:26
#14
Ocka
If the well-respected player you are referring to is Patpat, then yes he received a 7day ban from me for exactly the same thing as you.
Unlike you, he took it like an adult, understood the rule and why it is there, apologised for putting a fellow tribe member in an uncomfortable position, and moved on.
I suggest you do the same.
Smeg
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 22:26
#15
Can we get some point form arguing? I don't wanna have to read a lot to enjoy this.
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 20:57
#16
Addendum to last post.
Our goal is NOT to ban people. Our goal is to educate the participating populace on what simply they can't do as a handshake deal to use the voice server. Banning people who never saw the rules isn't useful at all. It would be terrific if everyone followed the rules and no one ever got banned. BUT, to ensure that people don't treat the rules casually, as something they can take under advisement, or simply reply with the correct registration without going through the actual motions of reading and complying with the rules, the banstick is there.
I subscribe to the Robert Heinlein rules of discipline for society. When there's an offense, you have a measured response which a) doesn't cut the head off of the offender b) corrects the offender c) reminds everyone else that there is a punishment for breaking a rule. Apparently you feel that you've had your head cut off but on all three counts, I do believe it worked fine.
And finally, there was NOTHING you could have said to avoid the initial ban (and I say initial because you could have appealed it by saying 'sorry .. sorry.. I read the stupid rule and I got it'. There is no story you could have told us that would have alleviated that. It's black and white. 30 minutes. What's creep vent say? What's freep vent say? Subtract times, under 30. Violation of rule. Ban enacted. So quit feeling sorry for yourself and how unjustly you've been treated. Everyone gets treated the same for the 30 minute timer, be it 28 minutes or 2.8.
Point of clarification, I speak for creep vent on this point. Not freep vent admins. Our policies and procedures are clear on the timer.
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 20:33
#17
Well.. you've one-upped me. I don't think i've ever personally patted myself on the back publicly about having 'saved' the 'moors.
I have definately lost the debate :)
--------------------------------- On to the rest of it
Believe it or not, there was a cross-admin thread opened on your ban, it was reviewed, input gathered, logs compared, and ban went through.
And yes I know exactly what you mean by small print but my point holds. There is no attempted hiding of what the rules are meant to mean. They say, without any legalese, that thou shalt NOT use Creep Vent/Speak with a 2 sided cooldown to anything doing with the freepside 'moors. It's not small print. It's simple. It's straightforward. And it's in your face. There's no hidden catches, hidden meanings anywhere. It's been reviewed repeatedly over the years for clarity to ensure everyone understands it. And many means are given in the Creep Vent/Speak page, or on the voice servers themselves on who to ask if there's an issue. We have multiple Aussie admins who can answer it and if they're missing, we have a general ventrilo forum as well as an email address that the admins check daily, or at least within 48 hours, that we will respond on. There is simply no excuse for not understanding that we will ban for being a freep in the 'moors if we spot you within 30 minutes of leaving the creep voice server. We will ban ANYONE who violates that, my own tribemates who thought the PvE channels were an exception to that rule, long time allied creeps who assuredly were drunk and forgot about it, anyone.
And from my viewpoint, 7 days ban is a good amount of time for that message to sink in. Any shorter and there is no punishment, longer is excessive (until they reviolate). If they put in an appeal and say they were being stupid and they will observe the rule, sure, we'll probably kill the ban with a warning. But until that action occurs, and the procedure to appeal is documented on the Creep Speak page along with the rules, the 7 day ban holds. So, the great and mighty Orak got banned for 7 days for crossing over. Fine. Deal with it. The 7 days are over and ... I think.. you actually read the rule, and maybe Patpat will too.
That's the whole point of it.
It's not like the Admins love going around banning people... it's a pain. More documentation and work for us. IP's to crosscheck, votes to be taken, data to be gathered and documented on the forums. But we uphold what we agreed on were to be the rules. There are no exceptions except those who hide it and evade us. (who will eventually get caught.. like HFMC and company). We just treated you exactly like any other case. Exactly like the Patpat case, exactly like Vapor, exactly like anyone else. Seen on freep. Check timestamp.. yep within cooldown. 7 day ban issued. Documented on forums for situational awareness.
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 19:49
#18
Are you ****en serious? Are you so nit picking that you cannot figure that not only ~I~ but also ~ANOTHER~ well known and respected person also broken the rule (which you call them SPYIES).The fact ANOTHER WELL RESPECTED player broken the same rule i did, is what i used to descibe 'small print.' Obviously i wasnt talking about the front size...this is were ill place my small witty comment...Reading FTL LOL! Honeslty grow up, use something worthy of a debate instead of relating to the damn font size.
Will we corpse jump you, why, will that resove something? You LOVE it when people hate you, i dont hate anyone, only peoples actions.
You said, perception IS reality, so in that case i perceive the lacking of investigation, facts and the ability to speak with reason to someone like myself who knows the full picture. I perceive this thread and comments related nothing more then childish little girls talking behind another back without a ounce of truth. Isnt this forum and people within it a collection of key people within the E community? So will my perception stand as reality?
If you Vyxe, hold yourself as a mouth peaice (since noone else is adding into this topic, which by the way ISNT about my ban!) then my perception shall stand and this community can go have a hard look at themselves talking like a bunch of ****en girls. If this is way you speak and treat someone whos done so much in preventing the fabric of freep-creep relations from slipping into total chaos, then ill lift my hands.
So Vyxe, do you still think you know me? I ****en doubt it.
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 19:02
#19
This is a 1V1 thread so I am not pouncing anyone. Orak has stun dot up anyways :)
/cheers
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 17:30
#20
I think I just picked up another person (or kinship) who is going to corpse jump me :)
I dare say I play my role as WL tank well, this will definately keep more DPS on me and off of the squishies!
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 17:20
#21
ROFL :)
But I still don't see how it was small print. It's all font size 10 on this site exactly the same size as the rest of the text on the rule list, it was in Vent thrown in your face, rules 1-5, while also specifically saying if you have any questions, here's your list of admins.
You really can't claim ignorance since pretty much everyone else understood the rule. It's not like you can't read english.
The language for rule 5 has only 2 alterations in its 3 years... and that was a clarification that it applies to ALL voice servers and that it now applies to Creep TS3, vs Vent in its orginal wording. It ALWAY, absolutely ALWAYS said that you could not transition to a freep in the 'moors from Creep voice servers without a cooldown period.
From my standpoint, and that of the rest of the admins, your 7 day ban on our side was well and truly earned. It's not like someone went and impersonated you or hacked your account. One minute you were here, next you were there. Logs confirmed on both sides. Bang.
We had the 55 mph signs up all over the place so long they had dust on them along with the signs that we were enforcing it with radar. You went 90 mph and got tagged.
First offense, 7 day ban. Then you're in the clear. Mistakes earn a slap on the wrist. (as apparently as your friend is seeing), then they're lifted. Next mistake means that you're an idiot and have earned the permanent ban.
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Without the absolute rule 5, we would have people all the time listening in transfering information to freeps (and it's been done multiple times in the past by multiple people). This is the tried and true enforcement mechanism to ensure that the admins (creep TS and freep TS) can take action.
And you know what? It worked great. Flip bans were verified by IP logs compared against each other with timestamps. Our mistake residual margin was extremely low.
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 17:12
#22
Since you've decided to play the one lining cheap shot BS card, ill ****en explain which button you've pushed.
"A tribe/kinship, and their leader, are defined to a very very great amount by the people in the group. And perception IS reality."
Im ****en tired of hearing BS these days, ive decided to take a much harsher and brutal approch due to peoples inability to understand simple logical understand on comprehention.
The fact you stated your away alot and only come out if theres a need for a raid, means you completey missing the purpose of ANV AND it means you have NEVER ONCE seen the true style of ANV first hand due to constantly being in a raid. Tell me, how many times have you fought a 1v1 or small group fight vs ANV? Never, which means you have NO facts or true info about who we really are AND therefore proving you take on the opinion of those without investagting further...i call that thinking 'sheep like.'
-If you dont want to play hard ball and fight it out, then watch your ****en mouth.
Im tired of being run through the ringer from uneducated BS artists, IF you know the type of person i am, then you im a carefree person who wishs to bring people together...but i never take **** from anyone ESPCIALLY when I KNOW ITS BS! For a person like myself to commit so much time and politic efforts towards keep a bond between freepside and creepside to be falsly labled, ill crack some ****en peverpial pixalated skulls.
For 1.5 years i never broke a rule, until i missed the fine print, AS did a very good friend and well respected player this very week did. Its called a mistake, not spying FFS.
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 09:51
#23
But since you and everyone else cannot know my mind at the time, then you cannot say I knew the rule. Let me remind you, i didnt break the obvious vent-vent rule, but a rule i was completely unfamiliar with.
As far as this part, you were a registered user on Vent, that SPECIFICALLY means that you said that you have read the rules and acknowledge them. If you have ANY questions on the rules you have had more than enough time to simply ask any of the admins who are on in all timezones, or simply ask a clarifying question here. Ignorance is not a card you can play. If 99% of the people on vent/TS can abide by these rules and follow them consistently, you can't claim that the rules are hard to understand.
Additionally, BY DESIGN, both Vent and TS throws the rules in front of your face everytime you log in. We prevent the capability for people to cry 'oh I didn't know!!!!'
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 09:22
#24
:) I think I pushed a button LOL..
which only further confirms to me my guesses about your personality and that of your group.
Pssst.. and reading comprehension ftw!
P.S. My tribe knows when i'm gone for extended periods of time, largely due to traveling for work for much of this month. One does not bring a gaming computer through airports. In fact i'm probably going to be gone for another 5 weeks coming up in September to Alabama for more military training. I'm currently sitting in Edwards AFB, California sitting through an extremely dull advanced statistics/linear algebra class surfing on my cell phone connection.
And additionally, anyone on Creep Speak can tell you that if they don't need me out there, I don't go out there to the 'moors. There's no reason for me to go out if there isn't a freep raid to push back or if the kill/death ratio is acceptable for the creeps. I log into TS, type a note asking how's the 'moors, and if they respond with anything besides 'it's bad/blue', I go off to do other things. I specialize in one thing, raid leading against the odds until we've thrown back the enemy. If there's another leader dealing with it, I won't step in unless they need the help.
P.S.S. I only recall one time conversing with you and I think I only said one thing 'at' you, maybe 2 if you count me saying I knew who you were... as well as ~5 other people via tells. So I really have no idea what I said to you or what you even said to me since the other 5 people had higher priority in getting what they needed done (registrations, ts questions, tribe invites, BAOS rules clarifications, etc). I'll let you know when I learn to multitask to 6 people simultaneously. You logged off before I could clear whatever else I was doing. I also recall telling you this before in some other post.
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 08:27
#25
A tribe/kinship, and their leader, are defined to a very very great amount by the people in the group. And perception IS reality. You wonder why your group picks up flak? Just take a look at what your people say on forums and what they do out in the battlefield.
Their actions from what i've seen in US times (farming, corpse jumping, burg ganking, zerging for hours (pssst, we disband when we win more than a couple fights in a row), their pure hate of creeps spewing in the forums even to a greater extent than my pokes at the freeps), speak a whole lot more than your words.
In the whole scheme of things my respect for ANV is barely above HFMC
Its VERY different fighting in a raid all day and seeing a small group of players compared to fighting against them at there level. Also note the current periods of your absents from the moors, so your credibility is questionable. You cannot place judgment on how the traffic is on the freeway, when you never step foot into a car.
Perception is also partly from the person reading, its called being biased which overlooks all credible info. Honeslty, how much good and positive feedback and talking do you see in OOC freep or creepside? Very, very little, its always negative and down putting which means no matter who you are (most respected/honorable) you'll always get negative feedback in OOC/Vent.
To be honest, ive spoken to you in debates over the simplest things concerning moors tactics and dynamics. I have no interest continuing any conversation whatsoever due to my first hand experience dealings with you, and other conversations concerning the dealings of the current situations with others.
As for Vent, you have ZERO facts and ZERO credibility towards your veiw that ANV hold sway over Admins. You blinding link ANV with HMFC without a ounce of proof or understanding. For that major ASSUMPTION you have failed miserably.
I already know the end to this drama filled event, but far be it for me to pre-inform someone with full knowledge and creditable information.
I wont take anymore **** from anyone, especially when its so poorly misinformed to start pointing fingers. How about people actually investigating before running there mouth and spreading rumors? How about people start looking at what it means to be a community, to overlook silly mistakes from people (ie Kruva, Faja) and allow a second chance...or am i the only person who wishs to extend a helping hand in that manner and level of kinship/family?
How dare i be ****en linked to that of HMFC after all ive ****en done, if this is the best of the tall-high end of E creepside, then im bitterly disappointed.
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 07:54
#26
A tribe/kinship, and their leader, are defined to a very very great amount by the people in the group. And perception IS reality. You wonder why your group picks up flak? Just take a look at what your people say on forums and what they do out in the battlefield.
Their actions from what i've seen in US times (farming, corpse jumping, burg ganking, zerging for hours (pssst, we disband when we win more than a couple fights in a row), their pure hate of creeps spewing in the forums even to a greater extent than my pokes at the freeps), speak a whole lot more than your words.
In the whole scheme of things my respect for ANV is barely above HFMC
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 02:16
#27
-Kruva
The night he summoned two extra one-shots was the same night he was dropped to recuit . Something id like people to know is the night it happened i went creepside to smooth things over. One creep player was extremely angry, so i managed to calm him down and bring some understanding and peace to what occured.
The reason i didnt kick Kruva from the kin is because i personally know him very well and knew why he was doing such things. I knew i could talk to him and bring some understanding. Ive always done this, i had Faja in ANV to help him understand the E community. Inviting Faja and bearing the burden of his reputation wasnt an easy task, notice the amount of forum drama i had to contend with? I tried to help him, i didnt see anyone else try and help him...did you?
So for the same reason of helping Faja, i didnt kick Kruva. And for the very long period Kruva was a recuit, he didnt repeat his offence, so i brought him back to being an Officer.
Tell me if what i did was wrong, if your child did wrong you'd punish but not divorce him, and after server the time you bring him back into where he was before.
-ANV Farming.
Ill need names, time, place and who reported it. Usually any serious farming accusations have screen shots, so they'd need to be forwarded also.
Ill talk to people within the kin if they know anything about it, but without names its hard.
Until these areas are filled out, i consider them nothing but a false accusation steamed from those who dislike the kin and members.
But remember, when your well known and at the top, your the easiest target for bitter rivals. Even the most well known Champ on E was called a rank farmer, so people need to keep things in perspective when hearing the word 'Farmer/s.'
~Orakhodegos - Leader of ANV~
Wed, 08/25/2010 - 00:24
#28
You already bent/broke them. It's a simple 30 minute timer that we have EXCELLENT reasons to maintain (HFMC is a terrific example to bring up here within the past 30 days who were caught red handed spying on Creep TS and amusingly were also on the leon vent frequently during this spying time period).
There's accidents.. then there's knowing better or outright breaking of the rule to spy. You knew better.
IF you knew the deepest depths of my thoughts at the time, you could say that. But since you and everyone else cannot know my mind at the time, then you cannot say I knew the rule. Let me remind you, i didnt break the obvious vent-vent rule, but a rule i was completely unfamiliar with.
Beside the point completely. If your implying im influencing the current vent, then clearly you have no clue whatsoever. For you say im influencing the vent means clearly you imply ill intentions are being made by myself towards the vent rules. FYI, i have had ZERO input with the rules that are in place, and also have ZERO power. Im a Raid Leader, nothing more. I dont take too kindly to being falsely labeled, or being implied to hold swag for my/our personal in-game intentions.
If you seriously think we have intentions towards cheating the system/game, then clearly you know nothing about myself, ANV and the purpose behind the actions within the recent weeks. Im in AU with a dynamic IP address, wonder why i haven't used that ability to its fullest advantage i wonder...
whereas I hold a ton of respect for you Orak because man you know how to fight, I cant agree with you on the ANV and cheating the system. In a word, "Kruva" a known exploiter and cheater. Yet he is an officer. I had a report today about a couple of ANV members farming greenies by other freeps. It's your kin and you have the right to run it how you choose, but If you want to get into a discussion about false labels, then you need to look at your members too. I'm not saying this in any disrespect towards you because I do enjoy your presence and you are a great leader to the freeps, but remember who your members are and the past issues you have had with them.
Tue, 08/24/2010 - 23:11
#29
You already bent/broke them. It's a simple 30 minute timer that we have EXCELLENT reasons to maintain (HFMC is a terrific example to bring up here within the past 30 days who were caught red handed spying on Creep TS and amusingly were also on the leon vent frequently during this spying time period).
There's accidents.. then there's knowing better or outright breaking of the rule to spy. You knew better.
IF you knew the deepest depths of my thoughts at the time, you could say that. But since you and everyone else cannot know my mind at the time, then you cannot say I knew the rule. Let me remind you, i didnt break the obvious vent-vent rule, but a rule i was completely unfamiliar with.
Beside the point completely. If your implying im influencing the current vent, then clearly you have no clue whatsoever. For you say im influencing the vent means clearly you imply ill intentions are being made by myself towards the vent rules. FYI, i have had ZERO input with the rules that are in place, and also have ZERO power. Im a Raid Leader, nothing more. I dont take too kindly to being falsely labeled, or being implied to hold swag for my/our personal in-game intentions.
If you seriously think we have intentions towards cheating the system/game, then clearly you know nothing about myself, ANV and the purpose behind the actions within the recent weeks. Im in AU with a dynamic IP address, wonder why i haven't used that ability to its fullest advantage i wonder...
Tue, 08/24/2010 - 07:42
#30
You already bent/broke them. It's a simple 30 minute timer that we have EXCELLENT reasons to maintain (HFMC is a terrific example to bring up here within the past 30 days who were caught red handed spying on Creep TS and amusingly were also on the leon vent frequently during this spying time period).
There's accidents.. then there's knowing better or outright breaking of the rule to spy. You knew better.
Am I acting like an raging idiot, yes. Is there a reason why, yes and ive explained why. Do i currently have the ability to listen to reasoning, yes - but the next time someone talks about my ban, ill bring some asterix out to play.
What is my final conclusion?
I think its time for people to talk with something real, im sure we're all sick and tired of reading and hearing so much fabrication in pvmp/forums/vent. How about the next time you and I write or say something, we check to make sure its correct...hmm? I think the community deserves it...dont you?