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Thu, 10/23/2008 - 7:24pm

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OK, so I have been playing on the freep side for the past few nights....

It is very hard to do this with the lack of discipline and the horrble in game voice...etc..

And I have heard the notion "let's farm them" seemly a thousand times in the past few days.

I KNOW the freeps are punks many times...

What is up though with all the trolls?

~Jagd tonight in TA????

I mean comon.

BTW, not mad necessarily, but this idea that creeps only roll trolls when needing to "balance" the battles has been thrown to the wind lately.

Looked like creep and freep numbers were at least similar, and creeps control of the keep.

BTW good fight Tchy and Morecow outside of LC.... If I would have only gotten off last stand.....

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Wed, 10/29/2008 - 3:14pm

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Shaag wrote:

I don't have many issues with trolls these days as there always seems to be a ranger around when we are taking keeps trying to 1 shot the greens/blues.

I totally agree with the ranger comment. I probably am more frustrated with Freepside than I am with the troll at TA. I wish Turbine would make this "game" more equally footed on both sides.

I guess Stick made the point earlier, if the freepsdie leadership wasnt as it is, the freeps would dominate 24/7.

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Wed, 10/29/2008 - 6:22am

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I don't have many issues with trolls these days as there always seems to be a ranger around when we are taking keeps trying to 1 shot the greens/blues.

Also its most excellent when the person on the troll not only is ready and able to help (solid troll play is not as easy as you would think :Thx ~Jagd) when asked and is not offended when asked to not help.

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Tue, 10/28/2008 - 9:26pm

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Here's a rare view from inside the mind of a troll! http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8523/insideatrollsmindds0.gif

For the record, I rolled it after TR was taken and heard 40+ freeps doing 5k DPS on TR tyrant. But I was on "standby" south of SDC building up rage, like a circling AC-130 gunship waiting for the call to strike. And if you already don't know, equal numbers doesn't mean squat! Equal numbers on both sides, on average freeps could still out DPS, out heal, and out CC the creeps.

Stick didn't ask for it so I didn't make any moves towards the FIRST freep attempt at TA, but I made it known that I was around as an option (and getting a head start in terms of covering distance, rolling a troll when they are on the tyrant and doing 5k DPS isn't smart troll management). However, I was called in on the 2nd attempt by Vyxe.

Contrary to popular belief, I probably average less than 1 troll per week. And just hit the 1 million DP mark. And, no, I didn't get it with the keep DP bug.

I have no qualms about rolling trolls, BUT I (usually) ask if there are any objections... of which there were none. I already don't associate with some of my freep Kin members for farming with Kriptic and his cronies. If I had it my way, Kriptic, Pedro, Techno-Viking and all the easy moder farmers, should all have the Troll's foot up their asses. I've heard a funny statement yesterday on creep OOC (don't know if it was one of his toons), "Supporting Kriptic is supporting renown farming... Vote for Kriptic! I'm Kripitc and I approve this message." Which is basically how I view people that are in his groups nowadays :/

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Mon, 10/27/2008 - 1:23pm

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Don't worry, no more replys from me in this thread, it's been dealt with in private.

Mon, 10/27/2008 - 12:58pm

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I was going to type something, but leaving it to a PM :)

This thread seemed civil to me until recently.

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Mon, 10/27/2008 - 11:13am

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Rev. wrote:

Cortes wrote:
it happens to you, so dont dare bitch to us when something bad happens to you on freepside, it's insulting

I dont think anything that I said here could be classified as that.

That's why I said anyone, not specifically you.

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And as far as playing freep and creep from time to time, I will play this game as I please.

No one said you can't, just dont whine to us when it goes wrong.

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If it is not acceptable to the tribe, just let me know.

Oh shut up, no one said that you can't just have some common courtesy not to complain about bad things creeps have done to you.

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I am not here to cause problems.

Stop acting like a victim, I never said anything specific you other than to express how funny I think you post is.

Mon, 10/27/2008 - 10:15am

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Cortes wrote:

it happens to you, so dont dare bitch to us when something bad happens to you on freepside, it's insulting

I dont think anything that I said here could be classified as that.

And as far as playing freep and creep from time to time, I will play this game as I please. I pay for it. If it is not acceptable to the tribe, just let me know. I am not here to cause problems.

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Sun, 10/26/2008 - 12:30pm

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I have to laugh when I see posts like this, and I mean no offense to you when I say all this, it's just so funny to me when freeps complain about all the terrible things we do with trolls. I guess in thier minds the mechanics for all the terrible things they do, chain mez, slug ganking, grams camping, tyrant resets, tyrant distracts, you name it, don't make it bad because it's the games fault and when they do it, how often do you see creeps complain?

Get over it is what I say to anyone who wants to be a creep and play freep too, you see what they do to us on creepside, it happens to you, so dont dare bitch to us when something bad happens to you on freepside, it's insulting

Fri, 10/24/2008 - 2:54pm

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I guess my original point was, we were wiped as it was (freeps) before the troll.

I agree as well Stick as to the freep vs. creep. I also agree as to the quaility of leadership on the two sides. That is the reason I play creep. :)

In the end I really dont care as long as I am having a good time.

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Fri, 10/24/2008 - 2:32pm

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Completely agree. If a freep raid came out that actually worked like a well oiled machine.. we'd all be dead.

But thankfully we can count on moronic leadership on the freep side (much praised on their side) to lead them in really awful ways to their deaths. They have one tactic. Ball + tar. I mean just look at what happened last night in TA when the freeps were wiped (their big raid). There was NO reason they should have lost. They had a bazillion minstrels, cc out the wazoo, and enough champs/hunters to insta-blow up anyone they chose to. But their coordination and leadership sucked big time. Then they go blame it on the troll (who wasn't there for the wipe the first time) and us being 'cowards' and not leaving the keep. Guess they had problems counting their numbers vs our numbers.

If that advantage ever goes away.. life could be quite bad for us... quite bad.

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Fri, 10/24/2008 - 2:07pm

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A small rant...enjoy.

The problem as I see it and its not gonna change...

A raid of creeps with ok cordination is not much worse than a raid of creeps that are spot on.

A raid of freeps when spot on can take any creep raid any time.

With the creeps a raid is a raid. With freeps you could have a raid of fodder or a meat grinder.

Thus when we fight numbers vs numbers its the quality of the freeps that determine the fight.

I can remember taking a full raid of vet vent creeps vs. a freep raid and after 3 mins of fighting we killed...nothing and lost 5 and were well on our way to wipe. It was on the north wall of TR and we owned the keep. The flip side is known, freeps without a clue die en mass to equal numbers.

Also freeps have all the force mulipliers so if they ever get 2 raids rolling as one we would need 3 raids to take em:(

Creeps need DPS and more stuns or fears or.....1.25x freep numbers. That is all.

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Fri, 10/24/2008 - 9:33am

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btw, best freaking part of the night

Situation: Raid+ of freeps at blue TA, facing them are 1.5 raids of creeps.

Freeps put banner out "creepfarmingdotcom"

We blow up the keep by carefully clearing out all bottom floor NPCs from the outside, killing freeps (who have to run from GV) one by one who come down. We whittled their numbers then struck and they all ran back to the CG room. As soon as we went in to engage the CG, they all jumped.

Too bad I was in combat else i'd put down "freepfarmingdotcom"

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Fri, 10/24/2008 - 9:04am

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Another hilarious instance was when Stickeye took all the ranged upstairs and I took the melee downstairs. The freeps were milling around outside the east entrance and Stick was just focusing fire and taking them out one at a time. Then it looks like the order to move away was given, and the mass moved back down Sgt Ramp... but several freeps stood there who apparently didn't get the message. They sorta died too probably thinking that they had 2 raids to their backs.

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Fri, 10/24/2008 - 9:00am

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LOL V,

Note my comments on my freepy frustrations :)

Not only are the freep raids incompetent, but when a suggestion is made (like hotspots) your yelled down for "talking" over the leader.

Which I wasnt hearing anyway since he refused to use vent and I turned my game voice off....totally a circus on the freep side.

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Fri, 10/24/2008 - 8:59am

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That freep wipe had more to do with the freeps pulling about every NPC + hornblower in the keep at once than us. We just took advantage of the situation.

I think you pulled the hornblower, and everything downstairs except the quest room all at once. Maybe even a couple of the LT level NPCs upstairs. I just saw a LOT on the freeps. A disciplined raid NOT pulling every NPC in sight would have taken the keep.

There was much commenting on why the freeps yanked everything in sight while we killed you all.

Edit: you also have a very bad habit of either not flipping hotspots white or not keeping them white when going into TA too. So... it was a combo of a raid of creeps + every NPC in the book + every debuff in the book. Just a bad bad move on the freeps part. (as bad as trading TA for TR... ohhh I quite enjoyed that trade. We got an oiled rez circle keep for losing an oiled TA that has 3 entrances and every debuff possible)

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Fri, 10/24/2008 - 8:56am

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It is funny, I love to play my captian. I WISH I could play him in a competent situation on the freep side.

It is seriously irritating/frustrating to try to do so.

My love for playing my captian is the only reason I am on the freepside ever....

That being said, I will be back creepside, and probably very soon. I have a rift run tonight to TRY to finish my rift set (I suck royally on my rolls).

I have no clue what happened at the TA fight after the Jagd rolled the troll, I left the moors. But I did feel at that moment it was unnecessary, and ruined what was a good fight.

BTW the one freep raid and most of the second totally wiped in TA prior to the troll on the push into TA. I am not convinced they would have taken it, if they did, it would have been bloody and a load of deaths on both sides.

One things creeps have in the ability to rez the dead in mass, thus making it real hard for the freeps to hold out if there is a real bloody battle with deaths on both sides. My captain's rezzes were always on cooldown.

...Need I say why my raid didnt totally wipe ;)

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Fri, 10/24/2008 - 5:28am

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I'm getting over my issues of Trolls. Considering that every time we have numbers and are trying to flip the map we get a ranger in to the fight.

Creeps just dont have a counter to the multi-raid tarball other than a troll.

We can either sit on our buts in TA, or we can use the troll and get more fights.

BTW I consider myself an excellent judge of balance of force. If we have the ability to make it a fight without a troll I would not use one.

Come back creepside, we seem to end up at least a fellowship (if not 12-18 short) short in being able to take the freeps in a stand up fight. Also we are still short on WL's and BA's

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Thu, 10/23/2008 - 9:28pm

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Oh yeah another thing... we had just gone through a bunch of rangers that whole time too. And one was on at the time that Jagd was on.

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Thu, 10/23/2008 - 9:19pm

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oh and as far as the two trolls last night (the only other set of trolls i'm aware of.. ~redarrow doesn't count because we kept yelling at him to go away with no result)... we had 3 groups.. freeps had at least a raid + 1 group (it was originally somewhere around 2 raids worth). ~Raximus wasn't able to break the grams camp so I got on one and between the two of us and Rancor's deception operation at TR and back to Lug, we managed to take a keep. So given freep numbers last night, I saw no issue with trolls then, and after seeing the freep masses today, I still feel the same about today's trolls (minus ~redarrow)

Btw with the utter predictability of keep takes in MoM... expect a LOT more trolls out. You have to hammer down one path, no more grabbing other keeps.

Oh yeah.. another reason. Kriptic was there and there was no doubt in anyone's mind what he was going to do at TA if we let him. So.. why let him?

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Thu, 10/23/2008 - 9:15pm

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Err if you counted, we had 1 raid + 2 groups pretty much the whole night.

We counted around 45 freeps with 8 minstrels.

You had more minstrels than we had warleaders.

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