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Brukluk
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I realize that there are a lot of veteran defiliers out there, but is there any guide for beginning defiliers? I got a lot of advice while in raid, but in the heat of the battle is probably not the best time for me to be getting 3 tells on what to do although I appreciate the help.

I have played a minstrel pve in chaotic situations, but I had 50 levels to learn how to handle situations. With the defilier, to even rank up you have to be in a raid situation, so there is a steep learning curve right off the bat.

So, I'm rank 0, give me some guiding principles please. One thing I've noticed is that at rank 0, the induction time on the heals is horrendous so you definitely have to do a lot of anticipation heals to be effective.

Thanks.

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Trait the fire mitigation debuff for curse of sticky feet. Use this on whatever reavers are trying to blow up. When you get the vitality debuff, stack this with sticky feet on whatever reavers are trying to blow up. Almost all sig rank reavers do fire damage. If you've ever heard someone bragging about a 1200 damage dev strike crit the part they don't mention is that they were war leader buffed and their target was defiler debuffed.

Trait improved plague gourde. Use it between heals to debuff the block/parry/evade on the focus target. If you can get it to land, you will crit and apply the debuff (-5% to b/p/e) about 37% of the time. This stacks with the rank 5 spider debuff and other plague gourdes (even your own).

Try not to use any other of your attack skills in a big fight. Fire gourde does not stack with the BA fire dot (which is crap Turbine...), staff strike is a joke for power efficiency.

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It's too bad Taugrim left. I'll try and transcribe his BA and reaver guides when I get time. I don't play my defiler much anymore; not sure if I can add much to what's already there.

I usually try to rotate my heals on their cooldowns when combat gets heated, trying to throw them on different creeps to keep them topped off. Let the WLs focus heal (Fell Restoration on the heal assist target when needed), while you catch those taking damage from AoE and random fire.

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What is this 'job' and 'real life' that you speak of :)

hahaha.. np, it's likely everything will end up changing in Bk14 anyways

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*cough* Rainyman and NoPain get working on that tactics section :)

Will see what I can do Vyxe. Unfortunately I have had extremely limited playtime in the Moors this past 1-2 weeks as I am innundated with work at the moment, and as we run our own business, knocking it back isn't really an option ;-) Will try to get started on it this weekend though. Looking forward to getting some info up so I can direct some of the new Defilers there when they ask for advice, and then answer any specific questions they have afterwards (it's hard to cover everything when in a fast-paced raid during US primetime).

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Vyxe wrote:
Sorta a neat trick is to do this... if a WL or BA is moving to grab aggro, stick a DoT on them and then let them go.

Or a HoT, if you're feeling nice. :wink:

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Sorta a neat trick is to do this... if a WL or BA is moving to grab aggro, stick a DoT on them and then let them go.

As soon as they grab aggro, it'll transfer to you, and you're much farther away so you can avoid some more damage as you drag everything to where it needs to go (around a corner.. to the ruins.. wherever the raid leader wanted it). Less damage to the aggroer and to you overall since you both miss the 'in transit' damage.

Be wary of that duration of the DoT though, sometimes that aggro is too much, if a WL with the DoT runs into say.. TR W HS, that could be highly unhealthy for you. So be aware of durations and who it's on and what they're planning on doing.. and prepare to run away.

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Brukluk wrote:
As with the minstrel, the deflier needs to figure out how to not grab aggro when healing and the notes on traiting are invalutable.
Best thing to do is wait till a WL has aggro before starting to heal anything.

Also, let WLs do all the tanking, it's what they are good at.

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Thanks Vyxe for the starter notes.

I'm sure it's situational, but I would imagine, priority for heals are:
1) yourself
2) defiliers, WL
3) all others

Also, I did read Nopain's notes and they will be very handy once I get off of rank 0. As with the minstrel, the deflier needs to figure out how to not grab aggro when healing and the notes on traiting are invalutable.

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*cough* Rainyman and NoPain get working on that tactics section :)

http://baos.alanlouie.com/node/53

But from a very much non-defiler... mine is R0 still, my viewpoint from leading them and what i've learned

a) Freeps are chasing you around and trying to kill you. Good. They're not trying to kill anyone else and you have some defense mechanisms (slight self heal and the fear).

b) When running, find or request a Web the Earth and run through it... if they get to melee range, blow fear

c) When we're not engaged with NPCs and people are dropping, strongly consider staying out of combat and doing rezzing to let the WL's fire their big rezzes when needed, not just on one or two creeps.

d) IMO work on keeping people moderately up and let the WL's work on the burst healing/defense. Yes fire that big one when needed, but those heal over times help maintain people at a reasonable level so we aren't wittled down (WL's are great at single target mass healing. The AoE one is really expensive to fire off)

e) When defending a keep, stay alive and be ready to go upstairs and rez dead people from outside the entrance into the keep

f) Slot health to stay alive longer against both NPCs and Freeps... see NoPain's guide in the link above to traits

g) If you aren't using your fear on anything else at the moment and the raid leader isn't having you hold it for a particular call, go find the closest chunk of freeps and fear them a bit. Preferably the ones chasing someone else around (champs/burgs/guards)

h) See target assist? If you have the power, debuff it (and call it on vent if you can so that another defiler doesn't additionally debuff it).

i) When engaged with many melee NPCs (particularily FM's), if we're not aoe'ing them down, fear a couple off so we can take a few at a time

That's a couple of my thoughts from my utilization of them. To me, the most important use of the defiler is the rezing ability if they can drop out of combat. They help the sustainability of creeps and prevents us from dropping below the critical threshold of viable combat numbers.

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Hmmm this would be good to hear for me as well. I have an r2 or 3 defiler....cant remember LOL

I know Nopain, Shazman, and a few others would be exellent to hear from.

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