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Overview

The weaver is the CC class of the creeps with a series of debuffs, slows, and a single target root. 

Skills

Skill Effect Cost Duration Cooldown
Entangling Web (R0) +30% attack duration 62
30s 15s
Hatchlings (R6)
196 Common, -403 to max power, summons 3 Hatchlings 53
10s 2m
Latent Poison (R1)
-403 to max power, 10s stun
81
15s
1m
Lie in Wait (R0) Cannot be attacked, +10 stealth level 50 15m 30s
Piercing Attack (R0) 154 Common, 61 Common every 3s 53 9s 4s
Poison Spray (R2)
-113 Agility 81 3m 15s
Smothering Web (R3)
5s knockdown 53 5s 5m
Snaring Web (R0) 30s root 81   30s
Tainted Kiss (R0) 99 Common, 59 Common every 3s 96 21s 20s
Trapdoor Sanctuary (R0) Cannot be attacked   1m 5m
Web the Earth (R5)
40% hinder for 10s 62 10s 1m
Grasping Web (R9) 30s root 132 30s 2m
Necrosis (R8) -2640 poison resist rating, -450 shadow defence 81 2m 2m
Paralytic Venom (R6) 30s daze 132 30s 30s
Lethal Kiss (R0) 285 common 53   8s
Toxin (R4) 175 common, 96 power every 3s 96   15s
Mephitic Kiss (R12) 99 Common, 59 Common every 2s 96   20s
Shadow's Bite (R13) 211 shadow, -228 power, +85 power, 10s fear 96   10s
Catch Prey (R7) -1200 block rating, -1200 evade rating, -1200 parry rating 81   30s

Traits

Class Traits

Trait Effect Rating
Armour Boost (R1) +210 armor 2/5
Clinging Webs (R5) -15% parry and evade for 30s
4/5
Enhanced Skill:  Piercing Attack +20% Piercing Attack damage 3/5
Enhanced Skill:  Tainted Kiss (R2)
+30% Tainted Bite damage 5/5
Health Boost +10% morale 5/5
Regeneration +2 in-combat morale regeneration 2/5
Steelweave Webs (R4) 25% web break chance, 45s Clinging/Entangling Web duration 2/5
Swift Weave (R2)
-0.25s induction time 1/5

Recommended Corruption Traits

Balanced:  Light mitigation, Tactical Resistance, Physical Resistance, Damage for Power, Stealth Detection Boost

Survival:  Health for Power, Health for Damage, Light Mitigation, Physical Resistance, Tactical Resistance

Tactics

02/18/2009 (Post-Moria)

Solo

  • Crowd Control:  In a solo fight, crowd control (CC) is your primary defensive skill.  Your lack of morale and armor means you must limit the number of incoming hits.  Do this by chaining your crowd control skills.  The rank 6 mezz Paralytic Venom is a great opener to get debuffs up.  Combine it with Latent Poison for a 10s stun soon after the mezz wears off.  If your opponent is melee class, Snaring Web will root stop a charging opponent and give you some breathing space without wasting a longer cooldown.  Save Smothering Web for an emergency knockdown, when they get too close and start pounding on you.  If your opponent pots out of your first mezz before you can debuff, use Smothering Web to buy you time to get debuffs on.
  • Stacking Poisons:  Expect your opponent to have potions.  Stack poisons to ensure that the important ones (LP, Hatchlings) will take effect.  Poison Spray is a great skill to use as a buffer, especially right after a mezz, when closing into melee range will not hurt you.
  • Debuff:  Debuffs will limit the amount of damage you take during the fight, while your opponent isn't CC'd.  It's important to get these on as soon as possible to give you control of the fight.  Entangling Web/Clinging Web/Catch Prey (r7)/Poison Spray/Necrosis (r8)/Latent Poison do no damage, and will not break a mezz.  Get as many--or all--on the target as soon as you can.  The 15s of your mezz gives you plenty of time to debuff.
  • Power Drain:  This goes hand-in-hand with debuffs and CC.  Against ministrels, your ultimate goal is to power drain.  Against other classes, it is good to keep up, but often is not as important.  Your drain skills are: Latent Poison, Hatchlings (r6), Toxin, and Shadow's Bite (r13).  LP and Hatchlings will only reduce maximum power.  So it is essential that both are on at the same time.
  • My preferred skill chain at r7 is as follows:  Mezz--Catch Prey--Entangling Web--Poison Spray (poison buffer)--Latent Poison--Toxin (breaks mezz)--Hatchlings--TK.  This will debuff, set up a future 10 second stun, pop hatchlings, and optimally power drain... before any damage has been exchanged!  This is not always a possible skill combination, however.  Plan for them to use a mezz pot.  If I don't need to kite, and am at risk of being CC'd after I break mezz, I will use Hatchlings to break it instead of Toxin.  Against an LM, I will wait a few seconds for LP to tick before I break mezz with Hatchlings, so if I have to root to remove SoP:R, it will not bug the hatchlings.  A similar chain at r4 (without the mezz) is: Root--Clinging Web--Smothering Web--Poison Spray (poison buffer)--Latent Poison--Entangling Web--Toxin--TK.  At r4, however, soloing is extremely difficult.  You can't leave any of your CC skills as backup and they get used up quickly.
  • In fights that require you to power drain your opponent, a tactic that I've found to help is to use your Trapdoor Sanctuary early in the fight.  Open with the CC/debuff/drain combo above, then burrow after your Toxin has landed.  Wait your opponent out until the Latent Poison and Hatchlings take effect, then re-emerge and reapply Toxin, starting your damage chain.  Doing so will reduce the amount of damage you take at the beginning of the fight, when your opponent is at full power and not being conservative with his high damage skills.  This has worked great for me against Minstrels and Runekeepers.
  • Trapdoor Sanctuary:  Against some classes, Trapdoor Sanctuary provides a necessary time-out to get out of combat.  This is especially true when fighting Champions in Controlled Burn, Hunters popping Burn Hot or Champs/Guards sprinting while your CC skills are in cooldown, Runekeepers in full attunement, and possibly Loremasters after Wisdom of the Council.  Try to place Toxin and Tainted Kiss before you burrow, to minimize their out-of-combat regeneration.
  • Melee Combat:  Full melee combat in necessary for classes that are powerful at range and have no distinct advantage in melee combat:  Hunters, Loremasters, Minstrels, and Runekeepers(?),  Use Piercing Attack whenever available and Tainted Kiss when giving chase.  Cut back and forth through them and jump to break inductions.  Don't stop moving unless you are using an induction knockout (Paralytic/Smothering) to buy time, interrupt, and halt their movement.  Against tactical classes like the Runekeeper, Minstrel, and Loremaster, Catch Prey is secondary in priority to Entangling Webs, when you apply debuffs.
    • Hunters:  Start combat by knocking them out and closing distance.  You will want to stay in melee range most of the time in this fight.  Don't chain-CC if you don't have to.  Save the mezz and knockdown for when they root or hinder you and are getting away.  Don't give them time to build up inductions, as even a single Improved Swift Bow can spell your doom.  Force them to run, so they can't build up focus.  Hatchlings are useful to break triple traps for you and interrupt their inductions, but don't rely on them to kill the hunter for you.  They aren't even necessary in most cases
    • Minstrels:  Power drain is key in this fight.  Chain-CC to buy time for Toxin to take effect.  Try to keep them close to you, because their damage output is basically the same whether you are in their face or 20ft from them.  It also gives you more options, such as a second Latent Poison halfway into the fight.  I'll typically be around 3/5 of my morale pool by the time their power is out.  From then on, it's a matter of keeping them in range, keeping Toxin up, and killing them before they can run away.
    • Loremasters:  Tricky fight here.  I still haven't mastered it.  Your first action is to mezz the pet, if it's visible.  If possible, debuff at range with Entangling Web/Clinging Web.  You probably won't have the time to debuff with a mezz, because SoP:R will block mezz and knockdown.  Instead, I would go with Latent Poison and root after 10 seconds (use your stun pot if you have to get your root off)... provided you can close into melee distance.  If not, root/mezz for 8s, and knockdown for another 6s to buy you time to get your debuff and power drain combo up.  Get in his face and stay there, keeping his pet away from you with WtE/root/mezz.  Use vendor root pots for mezzes (wait 1s and pop the pot), and stun/mezz pots for stuns.  You absolutely do not want to be caught in a lengthy stun.  If he stuns you enough times for DR to kick in, then stay on him even if he pops WotC.  Otherwise, find a tree or burrow.
    • Runekeepers:  (WIP) If the RK has his poison prevention buff on at the start of the fight, remove it with Tainted Kiss.  Start your CC/debuff/drain combo.  It's important that you DoT the runestone early with another Tainted Kiss.  Otherwise, it will tank your Hatchlings while mitigating your meager damage on the RK.  I like to try a power drain tactic with them, but be aware that they have a power restore skill.  At high damage attunement, it will be very difficult to defeat them.
    • Wardens:  A significant portion of their damage is done via javelin skills.  I will try to focus on power draining him and staying at range, never turning my back to him for Wages of Fear.
  • Kiting:  Kiting isn't simply DoTing and running around in circles.  It's gaining breathing room to pop inductions and delaying for your CC cooldowns to reset.  Having Swift Weave traited will help you greatly.  Knowing how much of distance you need is important.  Turning off auto-attack unless you're chasing is also important, so that your inductions start instantaneously.  Practice moving through enemies, moving erratically to throw off your opponent, and side strafing while pulling off skills--facing perpendicular to your target.  Use CC to gain more room and pull off inductions.  If your opponent closes in on you, try to move into him at an angle to get behind him and away.  Your optimal range is 20m.  Enough distance to root him if he sprints to escape, and far enough to never let him hit you.
    • Champions:  Get your debuffs up as soon as you can.  Catch Prey helps a lot.  Watch for the sprint, and root/mezz if you have the distance, strafe through him, or TS if you can't take the hits.  When popping from TS, make sure to attempt Latent Poison on him while he's in melee range.  Keep your DoT on him and move it.  If possible, save your knockdown to buy extra time for your hatchlings--he can burn them down pretty quickly otherwise.  If you need the distance to root/mezz, WtE will give it to you.
    • Captains:  Good timing with Latent Poison might take him out before he has a chance to Last Stand.  His melee skills hurt, so after the hatchlings have finished beating on him, you can go for broke with chain CC's and/or kite him around to get your skills back up.  Don't let him get on top of you or you will have problems.
    • Guardians:  You may want to slot Clinging Webs for this fight, as most of their offensive skills come from parry reactions.  Catch Prey is also great.  If you stun or mezz him, be sure to stay behind him so he can't Turn the Tables on you.  Depending on how he specs, this may be a long fight, so it's important to have patience.  Most of your offensive skills are tactical skills, however, so you won't really have too much of an issue getting through his b/p/e.  What's more important is keeping your distance and being vigilant with CC before he can get to you.  If he closes into melee range, be sure to always be facing him.  Don't give him a free stagger.
    • Burglars:  Similar to a Guardian fight, but potentially more dangerous if he gets into your melee range.  He does not, however, have any ranged attacks, so if you can stick him with a root he's a sitting duck (provided he has no root pots).  Your root can be evaded, so you shouldn't waste it if he has Touch and Go (50% evade) up.  I personally like to start this fight with a mezz, to see how he reacts.  If he pops Find Footing, just TK and kite him around until the evade bonus is gone.  That should give your mezz time to reset and you can restart the fight with one of his cooldowns burned and 30s wasted.  Kite, kite, kite.  Don't be afraid to use your mezzes/stuns/kds early in the fight.  The sooner you can pull out his 2 Find Footings, the better.  If he does manage to catch up and get Blinding Dust on you, you should counter with WtE and a root, or just burrow.  If he gets a stun on you, check if it's a stun or a knockdown before you use your pots.  The only one you can break out of is Startling Twist.  Never let a burg into melee range.  Even if you have to travel over half the map to kill him, don't give him the opportunity to stun you.

Small Group/Raid

  • Hunter:  Target number 1.  If the group leader hasn't designated the hunter as the first target, mezz it.  If there is more than one hunter, mezz one, knockdown another, and LP a third.  Be generous with Poison Spray, Entangling Web, and glue yourself to his backside to disrupt his inductions.  Don't give them a free rein to start killing creeps willy nilly.
  • Loremaster:  Target number 2.  Usually left to the warg.  Help them out with a root to remove stun immunity.
  • Champion/Guardian:  Root them early on to keep them out of combat.  Don't bother with the guardian unless you know that he is a 2-hander master capable of ripping apart creeps with his teeth, but be careful about mezzing them--enabling Turn the Tables might mean that you end up hurting your teammate more than helping them.  Keep the Champs off your WLs if they get to be a problem.  If the freeps start fleeing, these guys will be the last ones out.  Killing them before giving chase might take away the freeps' chance at regrouping and pushing back into you.
  • Burglar:  Roots are best to disable these guys.  Mezz isn't a bad idea if their morale is still good: if you get them to waste Find Footing, it might make it easier to kill them later.  Be warned, however, that your root can be evaded, and it will be difficult to disable them again if they get out of your mezz.
  • Minstrel/Runekeeper:  Target number 3.  Your warg and reaver can usually deal with these guys just fine.  See if you can throw them a Toxin at the start of the fight... precaution for Lay of the Hammerhand delaying your kill count later.
  • Captain:  Let someone else deal with them, unless they are the focus fire target.  Toxin might help keep them worrying about their ICPR.  If you time your mezz or knockdown just right, you might be able to prevent them from Last Standing.  Otherwise, make sure you get an LP on them as soon as possible and move on to the next target.
  • Skill Usage:
    • Web the Earth:  Probably your most used skill.  At the beginning of the fight, if you can get into range of the hunters, it helps melee classes stay on them.  At the end of the fight, it slows down retreating freeps and enables more kills to be had.
    • Poison Spray:  The other AoE skill.  With a push, I'll try and come in at a different angle than my raid so I can sneak up on hunters.  I believe it lowers their ranged damage output.  Since it's AoE, I try and get as much use out of it as I can.
    • Paralytic Venom/Snaring Web:  Both these skills have 40m ranges, the same as the hunter (longest range in the game).  40m is where your target's name becomes visible if you have floaty names enabled.  Make sure you mezz stray hunters on every push ASAP.  Root LMs if they need to be stunned, otherwise use it to keep freep melee'rs out of combat.
    • Smothering Web:  I like to save this as a backup stun, but often fall into the trap of forgetting to use it.  If a target is getting away and your mezz/roots are down, don't hesitate if it might net you another kill.
    • Hatchlings:  Coordinate Hatchling attacks with other r6+ weavers.  It doesn't stack, so make sure to put them on different targets.  With enough weavers, you can have a little hatchling army spring up in the middle of a fight.  Else, use on Captains, Minstrels, or Loremasters for the power drain.
  • Tactics:
    • During a charge, you should first seek to disable high priority targets.  Then, close into the ranged classes and attempt to hinder their damage output.  If the opponents flee, your goal is to slow them down.  Catch up to the third nearest target and WtE to slow him.  Mezz and root the fourth and fifth targets.  Doing so will net your raid a few bonus kills.
    • Under an assault, you should slow down the initial freep push by charging past them and using WtE.  Get to the ranged classes before they can stop to focus and wreck as much havoc as possible with debuffs and CC.  Keep an eye on the Warleaders and help to disable their attackers if they need it.
    • When using a hit-and-run tactic, stay to the rear and focus on CC'ing primary targets.  Use WtE to cover your escape.

Traits

  • I have compiled a list of different combinations of damage/morale corruptions here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pEi4djhuEik-A3N4WwnkIOQ
  • I recommend using DfP2 and DfP1, because the percentage increase in DoT damage for each damage corruption is tremendous.  Taking DfH is debatable, but in my opinion, is worth the loss of survivability.  Damage is better for a solo fight and health is better for small group-raid fights.
  • HfP2 and HfP1 are advisable if you need the morale.  I would be careful about taking HfD, as it penalizes your damage output significantly.

[Nidor, Brandywine]

For my Class Traits:

armor boost...must have. we are already quite squishy...need all the armor we can get

health boost....see above (plus it magnifies the boost from the corruptions)

Clinging Webs...I use this debuff a lot, need to use a class trait slot to use the skill

Enhanced Tainted Kiss & Piercing Attack...+30% & 20% damage respectively. helps soften the impact of the Health for Damage corruption trait. Big bang for the buck in terms of damage. Helps you more in solo situations than raids, so if you are more inclined to raid, you would more likely be going for more ranged damage so you could slot Enhanced TK and drop the enhanced PA and use the slot for something else.

the above is what I run with...other comments on Class Traits below:

Regeneration...pathetic amount to burn a racial trait on. You get IIRC 120 morale per minute w/the +2 regen...food is better regen and only costs you 5 silver. Might be useful if you fight in TA all the time, since you could get a +3 ICMR buff in addition to your class buff. I won't ever slot this unless they buff this one up to a decent level.

Swift Weave... some weavers use this to ensure they are able to get their webs off on charging melee types or in solo fights. IMO w/WTE you don't need to cut your web inductions. Lay down WTE and kite them....40% slow w/wte is enough for you to get enough distance between you and your prey to get off any webs you need.

Steelweave....the longer durations for Clinging webs and Entangling webs this trait gets you could be enough to slot this in place of say, enhanced PA. The snare is pretty useless though...it still breaks pretty easily, even w/Steelweave IMO. I rely on my slow (WTE) much more to keep prey nearby than my Ensnaring Webs.

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Update for Update 5

Updated most of my section.  RK and minstrel sections will have to wait (desktop monitor blew out just as I got around to purchasing the improved TS with my monthly points so I haven't been able to see how effective I'll be against them).

rainyman
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One more update before I take

One more update before I take off to SWTOR for good.

yicky
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I deleted my 1v1 weaver

I deleted my 1v1 weaver section as I mainly lead small group and raids.  Being no longer solo,  Rain will have the main setup for this and I'll take care of raid/small group strats

yicky
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update

ROI updated skills, as well as Raiding and small group strats for weavers

rainyman
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Going to move my stuff down

Going to move my stuff down to the bottom cause it's outdated and I don't have the time to update it. // Feel free to wipe.

Did post a bit of champ strat today here http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?428016-Advice-for-R5-weaver though.

Also looks like CJs open up TTT for guards now :(

rainyman
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Got back to ranking my weaver

Got back to ranking my weaver just as Isen is around the corner.  Updated my strats; may have relevance even after Isen.

yicky
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Nice update.  couple things

Nice update.  couple things tho.  Smothering web does not open TTT on a guard so you can do it at anytime

also the changes to hatchling and debuffs may change your strats a bit,  so be ready to update when pvp starts up again.  most likely we are going to wipe the whole page and start from scratch so be ready to add in your strats at that time.

 

Thanks!

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Something that bears mentioning

Great work on updating this so far Yicky.  Something that needs to be added is that the catch prey debuff prevents its target from dropping combat.  If you can get this onto targets that you want to power drain, you can hold them in combat even while in your burrow (thus severely cutting their power regen) while your toxin ticks away.

This is also great against CBR champs, who will continue to take CBR damage while in combat.  You can force them to toggle CBR off, and it's 10% of their morale to switch it back on.

Another thing to mention against RKs is that they lose attunement when they drop combat.  This means that when you burrow, they will drop down to neutral attunement once they drop combat.  They cannot teir up effectively to heal themsevles unless they are in combat, and their attacks are a LOT less danagerous when they are at low battle attunement.  Using burrow to reset an RK's attunement is a very effective way to disrupt them mid-fight.

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New Weaver Skills

Venomous Haze (R3) -10m All Skills Range, -10 Trick Range, -10 Riddle Range, -10 Burning Embers Range, -10 Cracked Earth, -10 Javelin Toss, -10 Max distance of ranged skills - - Duration: 30s, Cost: Power,Max Targets: 4,Radius: 7m, Base Cooldown: 2m